explorations: Discovering Hatshepsut

explorations: Discovering Hatshepsut

"Secrets of Egypt's Lost Queen"

Tony Frudakis, the research director at DNAPrintYou may find hundreds of web links stating that DNA can not be used to determine race. That was when it was written.The development of DNA research is snow balling.

Tonight on Forensic files (TV documentary) Forensic files 2005 A genetic test helps police locate a suspect. Pam Kinamoer.I will paste this web page, if you want the pictures copy them because many web pages only are on the net for a matter of time.Go Here for the actual page

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Hatshepsut Transcript "Secrets of Egypt's Lost Queen"
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WHY WERE THE RECORDS, IMAGES OF HATSHEPSUT WIPED OUT
Hatshepsut is the woman Pharaoh. There has been several theories about her identity being wiped out for different reasons.
* The consensus on this program was the ancient Egyptians propaganda wiped her out because she was grooming her daughter Neferure to take the power after her.
* Another guess was they wiped her out to take out the inconsistincies of the male line of Pharoahs.
* Tuthmosis 3 was the guy with the power to have the records wiped out.
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HOW DID HATSHEPSUT DIE
* She was murdered
* She had multiple diseases
* She died of an infected tooth.
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In the program they had 4 mummies they were testing to see if they could determine which was the mummy of Hatshepsut.
* They could get DNA from a couple of them but not all of them.
* "They had the actual canopic box. The embalmers of ancient Egypt used them to store the internal organs of a royal's body for eternity."
They couldn't get the box open so instead they used a CT Scanner to look inside of the box.
The box contained a tooth with one broken root ... and that broken tooth was an exact match to the type of tooth missing from only one of the mummies and it was the exact size.

Their conclusion:

The canopic box holding the actual organs of Hatsheput, had a tooth that was an exact match for one of the mummies, therefore .. that mummy is the mummy of Hatsheput..
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My rebuttal: They did NOT place teeth in those Canopic boxes/jars. They only placed internal organs there. Sounds like a far reach to me.
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What good stuff I did find out was:

We've been working on the system for about the last two years, and it's specifically designed to help with the amplification of very degraded and compromised samples.

Once minifiler finds the DNA, it can be amplified, showing up as colored computer-graphic peaks.
Each peak is a genetic marker -- a molecular fingerprint unique to one person or family.

* In all cases they could not extract the DNA. This is a temporary thing I figure. Today they are using tiny bits of DNA that was useless just 15 years ago.

* BUT in most case they HAVE ALREADY been able to extract 3,500 DNA from Mummies... and it is this DNA we can compare with natives of the middle east and white Europeans (who claim to be descendants of black Egyptians).* One other direct ancestor of Hatshepsut, the mummy of Ahmose-Nefertari, Hatshepsut's grandmother -- a powerful queen said to be her role model. Ahmose-Nefertari is the origin of the family. We have to do the DNA.
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Yes they can extract DNA from ancient Mummies

Yes they already have extracted DNA from ancient Mummies

Yes they already have been able to determine physical appearence from DNA and they have only just begun

Yes they can also determine race of Europeans from their hair alone, don't even need DNA nor an electronic microscope

Yes we do have thousands of paintings of ancient Egyptians, their dna and their hair

Yes the bible does give the evidence that all Israelites were descendants of black Egyptians.

NO there is no white race that could possibly be the descendants of the black Egyptians
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What were Ishmaelites and Israelites in the population scheme of the bible?

When looking at directions given, they are perspective from the point you are located.
If it is stated that the place is before a given location.. if you get to that given secondary location, you have went too far.

* If in Kansas you are telling someone how to get to Texas and they say it is -> before<- Mexico.. If you find yourself in Mexico, you have went to far.

* If you are told go -> toward<-Mexico, that does not mean the destination is in Mexico, just in that general direction.

01~GENESIS 025016. These are the sons of Ishmael....
01~GENESIS 025018` And they lived from Havilah to Shur, that is ->before<- EGYPT, as you goest ->toward<- Assyria
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Using your map reading skills and the identification of the places some of Ishmael's descendants lived, here is a general Idea where they were scattered.

ASSYRIA . The name of the ancient country whose inhabitants were called Assyrians. It lay in the upper Mesopotamian plain, bounded on the W by the Syrian desert, on the S by the Jebel Hamrin and Babylonia, and on the N and E by the Urartian (Armenian) and Persian hills. (NOT Assyria.. but ->Before you go toward Assyria<- or the direction of)

Havilah = modern day Iraq

SHUR . A wilderness-region in the NW part of the Sinai isthmus, S of the Mediterranean coastline and the 'way of the land of the Philistines', between the present line of the Suez Canal on its W and the 'River of *Egypt' (Wadi el-ÐArish) on its E.

Gilead West Jordan ... Bashan (west Jordan) unto Baalhermon and Senir, and unto mount Hermon. (A mountain in the neighborhood of Palestine. It is called also Mt Sirion ).
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Some of these are places.. of course it is people who exist and live in lands where they give names to those places. Here is a short list of people who lived through out the middle east centuries before Ishmael was ever born.

There is NO place where Ishmael's descendants migrated to where there were not already Arab nations, settlements existing for centuries before !

Abimael, Abimelech, Abraham, Abram, Accad, Adah, Admah, Almodad, Amalekites, Ammon, Amorite, Amorites, Amraphel, Anamim, Aner, Aram, Ararat, Arioch, Arkite, Arphaxad, Arvadite, Ashkenaz, Ashteroth, Asshur, Assyria, Beerlahairoi, Beersheba, Bela, Benammi, Bera, Bered, Bethel, Birsha, Cainan, Calah, Calneh, Canaan, Canaanites, Caphtorim, Casluhim, Chaldees, Chedorlaomer, Cush, Dedan, Diklah, Dodanim, Eber, Elam, Eliezer, Elishah, Ellasar, Elparan, Emims, Enmishpat, Enoch, Enos, Erech, Eshcol, Gerar, Gether, Gihon, Girgashites, Girgasite, Gomer, Gomorrah, Hadoram, Hagar, Hai, Hamathite, Haran, Havilah, Hazarmaveth, Hazezontamar, Hebron, Heth, Hiddekel, Hittites, Hivite, Hobah, Horites, Hul, Irad, Iscah, Jabal, Japheth, Javan, Jebusites, Jehovahjireh, Jerah, Jobab, Joktan, Jubal, Kadesh, Kadmonites, Karnaim, Kenites, Kenizzites, Kiriathaim, Kittim, Lamech, Lasha, Lehabim, Lud, Ludim, Madai, Magog, Mahalaleel, Mamre, Mehujael, Melchizedek, Mesha, Meshech, Methusael, Milcah, Mizraim, Moabites, Moreh, Moriah, Naamah, Nahor, Naphtuhim, Nimrod, Nineveh, Obal, Ophir, Paran, Pathrusim, Peleg, Perizzites, Phichol, Philistim, Phut, Pison, Raamah, Rehoboth, Rephaims, Resen, Reu, Riphath, Sabtah, Sabtecha, Salah, Sarai, Seba, Seir, Sephar, Serug, Shaveh, Sheba, Sheleph, Shem, Shemeber, Shinab, Shinar, Shur, Sichem, Siddim, Sidon, Sinite, Tarshish, Terah, Tiras, Togarmah, Tubal, Tubalcain, Ur, Uz, Uzal, Ye, Zeboiim, Zeboim, Zemarite, Zillah, Zoar, Zuzims.

Ishmael was conceived centuries AFTER the descendants of Ham, Shem and Japeth had already existed and scattered through out the middle east. Like the Israelites Ishmael was a descendant of Shem and Ham.

The descendants of Ishmael did not even all migrate to the same places, but hundreds of miles apart (there were only 12 to scatter).

They would have been like a couple families moving to NY in an already existing mass population and lost in a sea of human population.

Of course the Ishmaelites would have mingled and married with the descendants of the

Arab tribes/nations that existed before they were ever conceived... just like the Israelites mingled with and married every Arab tribe/Nation they ever encountered .. and yes some of the Israelites married the Edomites which were a composite of Esau and Ishmael.

The idea of Ishmael being the father of the vast population of the middle east is as goofy as 12 siblings migrating from Kansas to Mexico a thousand years after Mexico exist and claiming the population of Mexico are their descendants.

The Ishmaelites, like the Israelites were nothing but a drop in a ten gallon jug that has been mixed for 6,000 years.
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Depending on which stats you look at, the dynasties may verify but in this particular one: Narmer was an Egyptian Pharaoh who ruled in the 31st century BC ... well over 1000 years before Abraham was ever born.

These people established the first dynasty, whose first pharaoh Menes, ... held that Egypt's first dynasty flourished a thousand years before Abraham .
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genesis-Israel-Egypt-E-J-Sweeney/dp/1857563506

Abraham, the Israel nor Ishmael had anything to do with creating the mass population of the middle east. Their descendants are but a fraction mingled in the Arabs who existed before them... the Arabs who they themselves were descendants of.

Ishmael father of Arabs BS

ARABS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF `ISHMAEL

CROCK OF COUNTERFEIT "JEWS"

AND LYING PREACHERS

"The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael" .. what does this say about those who call themselves Christians?

Let me revise this page Robertson, on national tv correct me of my false impression and tell your millions that you do not mean to say the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.

Look at the millions who watch Pat Robertson daily and who send millions to support him.

#1 Either the bible truth to them is what ever some preacher concocts because they do not read it for themselves.

#2 They know preachers like Robertson is a liar, but they are willing to follow, watch and support a "Christian" liar.

#3 They are idiots, insane or they are whizzes.

#4 They themselves are Blatant liars.

One of the "proofs" that the descendants of Ishmael lived outside of Canaan is because there are cities in Arab countries named after Ishmael/s sons? Like Duh, cities all over the world are named after people who are popular, well known or politicians. Cities in North America, Santiville would mean the descendants of Santa lived there? Boon, I guess that means the descendants of Daniel Boon started the cities all over America named after him? Most cities all over the world are named after someone and that person has never seen any of those places or know where they are. Every scripture about the Ishmaelites locates them ONLY in the land of Canaan.

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Not one son of Ishmael produced ONE Arab nation, but the families of the Ishmaelites lived in settlements of other Arab nations and in settlements inside of Israel.

GENESIS 17:20 And as for Ishmael... I have blessed him, and will .. multiply him ; twelve princes and I will make him a great nation.

* Ishmael blessed by God

* A prince = chief, ruler, governor Rulers ONLY over their own families who lived in other Arab nations.

* Nation = gentiles descendants = strong's Ref. # 1471

I have blessed Ishmael with 12 sons who will rule over their own families and will make of him a family of gentiles.

GENESIS 36:39 ... Hadar reigned in Pau

This son of Ishmael lived in Pau. It was the capital of the Edomites. Pau is at 30 55 26 degrees north, 35 46 43 degrees east. The capital city of Edom and king Hadar (Gen 36:9, I Cor 1:50) Jordan, not Saudi Arabia.

NO the Ishmaelites did not have any nation with any government, they lived in nations of other kingdoms. The only people Ishmaelites ruled were their own gentiles/tribe/families.



JOSHUA 15:52 Dumah ... cities in Israel named after Ishmael's sons. The nations of Ishmael were in Israel.

This son Dumah did not have a "nation in Saudi Arabia" his nation was at 31 25 22 N, 35 1 11 degrees E, inside of Israel.

The Ishmaelites are not the fathers of any Arab nations, but they had settlements in Canaan/Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan ... UNDER other Arab kingdoms.

All the major nations existed before Ishmael was born Except the Moabites and
Ammoites. Ishmael had nothing to do with their creation.

Ishmael was a contributor to the descendants of the Edomites and the Israelites who were produced through marriages of the Edomites.



In Kings, one of Ishmael's great grandsons had to flee to Egypt to save his life, but he eventually returned home.. and the home of this Ishmaelite was in Jerusalem.



These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

Castle is not actual castle but... Strongs 2691 in their settlements

The actual Hebrew text states...

These are the sons of Ishmael and the names of their towns, by their settlements.

The Ishmaelites did not produce one "Nation" but 12 "families of gentiles" who lived in the nation of the Israelites and other Arabs ... NOT one actual nation of the Ishmaelites.

You can not produce one map with one Ishmaelite nation, but you show me the settlements they lived in and I will show you the names of the boundaries of the Arab nations which existed that can not possible be the offspring's of Ishmael.

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GENESIS 003:020 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

[ Adam came out of the mud of the land of Iraq and Eve is the mother of all living. These Iraqis are the parents of all living. If one has both of the same parents of the only race / people on earth they are of that race / people.

At the time of Adam and Eve there was only one race on earth. ]

Everyone on earth lived in Iraq at the time of Noah ( in an area between Iraq and Iran )

GENESIS 6:10 And Noah fathered three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

[ Noah was the father, so Mrs Noah wasn't fooling around. ]

GENESIS 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

[ Not Noah's wives, but Noah's wife got on the boat, the 3 boys all had the same parents. ]

GENESIS 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth, and every man:

GENESIS 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

GENESIS 7:23 Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

GENESIS 8:4 And the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat.

[ Noah and the boys began to float in Iraq and ended up on a mountain in turkey ]

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Burnt sacrifices were given to God long before there was ever a temple in Israel or before there was any such thing as a priest. The assertion that there must be a temple in Israel or a priest to have burnt offerings is a crock of counterfeit "Jew" bs.

GENESIS 8:20 And Noah built an altar to the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

GENESIS 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart...

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GENESIS 9:1 And God said Be fruitful, and multiply, and
replenish the earth.

GENESIS 9:7 be fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

GENESIS 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

At this time every one on earth was out of the sons of Noah.

All sons had the same parents. Before the flood every one on earth lived between Iraq and Iran.

Everyone came from the same Adam and Eve. There was only one race on earth... a race of native people of Iraq.

Shem, Ham and Japeth were all brothers of the same race.

The wives of Shem, Ham and Japeth were of the same race of native people of Iraqis ... the only people on earth at that time.

By anthropology studies of ancient people of Iraq and studies of the people
of Iraq today, we know the present day people of Iraq (who are not mixed with the Babelites) are the same race of Shem, Ham and Japeth.

If God made man in HIS image, Iraqis and God have the similar physical appearance ... and of course the unpolluted Arabs of the middle east share the same physical appearance as the Iraqis.

GENESIS 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and to them were sons born after the flood.

[ ALL of the following people of the middle east lived hundreds of years before Ishmael was ever born.

They had very large families. Before Ishmael was ever born there were thousands of Arab ( middle east native ) people and gobs of Arab cities and nations in the middle east...

NONE of these PRE-ISHMAEL Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, they existed before Abraham pulled down his pants to create Ishmael !

Bald face liars like Pat Robertson would have Christians believe that

All the middle east people were either from Isaac or Ishmael.
All from Isaac were Israelites
All from Ishmael are the Arabs.

Yes Pat Robertson is a liar, because he does not have ignorance as his excuse ( unless he is insane, he is a liar ).

These people did not fly away on a flying saucer when Ishmael and Isaac were born. These Arabs and their descendants are recorded through out the Old Testament.

All highlighted in Green are Arab people or Arab cities that existed before Ishmael ever existed.

GENESIS 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

GENESIS 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

GENESIS 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

None of these are descendants of Ishmael and yet we find thousands of their descendants in the Arab tribes of Canaan / Israel ... so how are these Arab people "THE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL" ?

GENESIS 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

These lands are middle east lands, these nations are middle east nations, these people are Arabs who existed before Ishmael was ever a gleam in Abraham or before Abraham was ever a gleam in his father Terah's eye.

These Arabs, these Arab nations are not the descendants of Ishmael.

These people are who Pat Robertson and the like, calls Arabs... the descendants of Ishmael.

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GENESIS 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

GENESIS 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah, Sheba, and Dedan.

GENESIS 10:8 And Cush fathered Nimrod

GENESIS 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
These lands, these kingdoms were Arab lands / kingdoms.

[ Note the people who were scattered outside of the middle east were those people of Babel. All people on earth were not scattered outside of the middle east or Abraham and the rest of the boys in the Old Testament would not have had their history recorded in Canaan / Israel. ]

GENESIS 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and built Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah

[ Arab cities, built by Arab people before Abraham or Isaac were ever born. ]

GENESIS 10:13 And Mizraim fathered Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

GENESIS 10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

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GENESIS 10:15 And Canaan fathered Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

GENESIS 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

GENESIS 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

GENESIS 10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

[ No lying Pat Robertson, NO lying "Jews", Ishmael was not the father of these Arab people and nations, Canaan was the father of these Arabs ( who the Israelites bred to produce their children ). ]

GENESIS 10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as you come to Gerar, to Gaza; as you goest, to Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even to Lasha.

[ All Arabs and Arab cities before Ishmael was ever conceived ]

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GENESIS 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

[ Arab countries, Arab nations BEFORE Ishmael ever existed ]

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GENESIS 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

GENESIS 10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

GENESIS 10:24 And Arphaxad fathered Salah; and Salah fathered Eber.

[ The descendants of Salah were non Israelite Arabs.

The descendants of Ua, Hul, Gether and Mash were NON Israelite Arabs ! ]

GENESIS 10:25 And to Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

GENESIS 10:26 And Joktan fathered Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,

GENESIS 10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,

GENESIS 10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,

GENESIS 10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.

[ None of these were descendants of Ishmael, None of these were Jews, None of these were Israelites. At this time no such thing as a Jew or an Israelite had existed on the earth.

Out of the hundreds of descendants of all these children of Shem ONLY one line went on to become the first Israelites.

All the rest of Shem's descendants went on to become NON Israelite Arabs ]

GENESIS 10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as you goest to Sephar a mount of the east.

[ Ishmael is not the father of the people who built and lived in these nations ]

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GENESIS 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

[ All of these Arab cities, nations and people existed before Ishmael was ever born ]

BABEL

The origin of races and nations outside of the middle east

GENESIS 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach to heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

GENESIS 11:5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built.

GENESIS 11:6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

[ No, not all people on earth had one language, we have already read of the different tongues and languages before we got here. Those of one language were those who lived in Babel ]

GENESIS 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

GENESIS 11:8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

[ If you look at the anthropology of acient people of Europe 4000 years ago, you will know that they are not the same race as the (unpoluted) native people of the middle east. Africans, Orientals, Eskimos, native Americans nor Aborigines are of the same race as the native people of the middle east. ]

GENESIS 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from there did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

ANGLO SAXONS, ARYANS = EURO BABELITES
THOSE SCATTERED FROM THE TOWER OF BABEL INTO
EUROPE THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES JEWS.

THIS RACE OF PEOPLE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISRAELITES OR THE EVENTS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. THEY WERE SCATTERED OUTSIDE OF THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE ANY ISRAELITE WAS EVER BORN.

GENESIS 11:11 Shem fathered sons and daughters.

All of these sons and daughters and all of their descendants except one line, went on to be non Israelite Arabs.

GENESIS 11:13 Arphaxad fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:15 Salah fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:17 Eber fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:19 Peleg fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:21 Reu fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:23 Serug fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:25 Nahor fathered sons and daughters.

GENESIS 11:26 Terah fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

These Chaldeans ( or native people of Iraq ) are NOT the descendants of Ishmael, they existed before Ishmael ever existed.

Abraham ( the Chaldean / Iraqi ) is not the descendant of Ishmael nor is he a Jew nor is he an Israelite.

Neither the descendants of Nahor or Haran are Israelites, they are NON-Israelite ... Arabs / Gentiles.

GENESIS 11:27 Terah fathered Haran; and Haran fathered Lot.

GENESIS 11:28 And Haran died in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. / IRAQ

GENESIS 11:29 the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.

GENESIS 11:31 Terah took Abram (Abraham) and Lot (nephew) , and Sarai his daughter in law (Abraham's half sister) , his son Abram's wife; and went from Ur of the Chaldees, to the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran, and lived there.

GENESIS 12:1 the Lord had said to Abram, Get out of thy country,

[ The country of Abraham is Iraq, his city is Ur. Ishmael is not the father of the Chaldees / Iraqis ]

GENESIS 12:6 And Abram passed through the land to the place of Sichem, to the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.

[ Ishmael is not the father of the Canaanites they existed before he was ever born ]

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GENESIS 12:8 and there he built an altar to the Lord, and called upon the name of the Lord.

Having burnt offerings to God has NOTHING to do with the existence of a temple.

The only thing one needed for burnt offerings was some rocks, wood, a bic lighter and an animal to jump in it.

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GENESIS 12:10 Abram went down into Egypt

[ Ishmael is not the father of Egypt or the Egyptians, it existed before he was ever born.]

GENESIS 12:12 when the Egyptians shall see you

GENESIS 12:14 when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians

GENESIS 13:7 Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land.

[ The Perizzites are not descendants of Ishmael, Ishmael is not yet born at this time ]

GENESIS 13:10 the plain of Jordan, Sodom and Gomorrah, the land of Egypt, as you come to Zoar.

[ Arab cities / nations that existed before Ishmael was ever born ]

GENESIS 13:18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and lived in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar to the Lord. ( no temple or priest required )

GENESIS 14:1 And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel King of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;

[ Gee, all of these Arab kings in their Arab nations before Ishmael ever existed ]

GENESIS 14:2 Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.

[ Arab people and Arab nations before Ishmael ever existed ]

GENESIS 14:4 Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer

GENESIS 14:5 the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,

GENESIS 14:6 And the Horites [ All these Arab cities and nationalities existed before Ishmael was ever born ]

GENESIS 14:7 they came to Enmishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, that lived in Hazezontamar.

[ The Amalekites nor the Amorites are the descendants of Ishmael, at the time of these events Ishmael is not yet born ]

GENESIS 14:8 the king of Admah, the king of Zeboiim, the king of Bela (the same is Zoar;)

GENESIS 14:9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

GENESIS 14:14 three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them to Dan.

GENESIS 14:15 he pursued them to Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.

[ The Arab cities of Hobah and Damascus existed before Ishmael was ever born and they could not pop up by themselves, they were built by Arabs. ]

GENESIS 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem

GENESIS 14:24 the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

GENESIS 15:2 Abram said the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

GENESIS 15:16 the Amorites.

GENESIS 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

GENESIS 15:20 the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

GENESIS 15:21 the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

ALL THESE NON-DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL EXISTED BEFORE ISHMAEL WAS EVER BORN.

Pat Robertson, are you ignorant, an idiot or just a bald face liar? Ishmael is NOT the father of the Arabs.
Ishmael is only the farther of the Ishmaelites. Ishmael nor his descendants are ever found in the scriptures outside of the land of Canaan / Israel.

GENESIS 16:1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.

Ishmael is not the father of the Egyptians, Ishmael is the descendant of Egyptians and Chaldeans/Iraqis.. his father Abraham !

GENESIS 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

GENESIS 17:7 And I will establish my covenient between me and you and thy seed after you in their generations for an everlasting covenient

GENESIS 17:8 And I will give to you, and to
thy seed after you, the land wherein you art a stranger, all the land of Canaan

[ Of course Ishmael and 11 other sons of Abraham is his seed ]

GENESIS 17:10 This is my covenient, which you shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after you; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

GENESIS 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

[ Of course being the seed of Abraham, Ishmael and sons inherited the promise land. You will see that Ishmael nor his descendants ever left the land of Canaan / Israel ]

GENESIS 17:23 Abraham took Ishmael his son and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said to him. "This is my covenient, which you shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after you; Every man child among you shall be circumcised "

[ Yes, Ishmael is the seed of the covenant God gave to Abraham. ]

THE AMMORITES AND MOABITES

GENESIS 19:30 Lot lived in the mountain, and his two daughters with him

GENESIS 19:31 the firstborn said to the younger

GENESIS 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

GENESIS 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

GENESIS 19:37 And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab the father of the Moabites

GENESIS 19:38 the younger, bare a son called Benammi the father of the of Ammon.

[ Ishmael is not the father of the Moabites nor is he the father of the Ammonites. ]

GENESIS 20:2 Abimelech king of Gerar

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EDOMITES

GENESIS 36:9 And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:

Esau is the son of Jacob and the grandson of Isaac. Esau was not the descendant of Ishmael. Esau was the father of the Edomites.

Ishmael is not the father of the Edomites

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THE CHILDREN OF KETURAH

GENESIS 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. ( Abraham had 3 wives and concubines to boot )

GENESIS 25:2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

GENESIS 25:3 And Jokshan fathered Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim.

GENESIS 25:4 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah. You will find that these children of Keturah have many Arab nations of their own and NONE of them are the descendants of Ishmael.

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A fraction of the Arabs and Arab nations that were not out of Ishmael.

Abida, Abimael, Abimelech, Abraham, Abram, Accad, Admah, Almodad, Amalekites, Ammon, Amorites, Amraphel, Anamim, Aner, Aram,Ararat, Arioch, Arkite, Arphaxad, Arvadite, Ashkenaz, Ashteroth, Asshur, Asshurim, Bela, Benammi, Calah, Calneh, Canaan, Canaanites, Caphtorim, Casluhim, Chaldeans / Iraqis, Chedorlaomer, Cush, Dedan, Diklah, Dodanim, Edomites, Egypt, Egyptians, Elam, Eldaah, Eliezer, Elishah, Ellasar, Emims, Enmishpat, Ephah, Epher, Erech, Esau, Eshcol, Gerar, Gether, Girgashites, Gomer, Hadoram, Hagar, Hamathite, Hanoch, Haran, Havilah, Hazarmaveth, Hazezontamar, Hebron, Heth, Hittites, Hivite, Hobah, Horites, Hul, Iraqi, Iscah, Ishbak,

(ONLY Ishmaelites came from Ishamel )

Japeth, Javan, Jebusites, Jerah, Jobab, Jokshan, Joktan, Kadesh, Kadmonites, Karnaim, Kenites, Kenizzites,
Keturah, Kiriathaim, Kittim, Lasha, Lehabim, Letushim, Leummim, Lud, Ludim,
Machpelah, Madai, Magog, Mamre, Medan, Melchizedek, Mesha, Meshech, Midian, Milcah, Mizraim, Moab, Moabites, Moreh, Nahor, Naphtuhim, Nimrod, Nineveh,Obal, Ophir, Pathrusim, Peleg, Perizzites, Philistim, Phut, Raamah, Rehoboth,Rephaims, Reu, Riphath, Sabtah, Sabtecha, Salah, Sarai, Seba, Seir, Sephar, Serug, Shaveh, Sheba, Sheleph, Shem, , Shemeber, Shinab, Shinar, Shuah, Sichem, Sidon, Sinite, Tarshish, Terah, Tiras, Togarmah, Tubal, Ua, Ur, Uz, Uzal, Zeboiim, Zeboim, Zemarite, Zimran, Zoar, Zuzims.

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GENESIS 25:8 Abraham died ...

GENESIS 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah

NO ISHMAEL NEVER LEFT CANAAN / ISRAEL

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If I took many more hours, I could find gobs of other Arab tribes / nations who were not descendants of Ishmael.

Ishmael was only the father of 12 sons who had families who remained in Canaan / Israel through out the bible. This is every occurrence of Ishmael /
Ishmaelites in the bible. Blue verses of Ishmael and descendants / Red different Ishmaels having nothing to do with Abraham's son.

GENESIS 16:11, GENESIS 16:16, GENESIS 17:18, GENESIS 17:20, GENESIS 17:23,
GENESIS 17:25, GENESIS 17:26, GENESIS 25:9, GENESIS 25:12, GENESIS 25:13,
GENESIS 25:16, GENESIS 25:17, GENESIS 28:9, GENESIS 36:3

JUDGES 8:24 Ishmaelites still living in Canaan/Israel

2_KINGS 25:23, 2_KINGS 25:25 These are NOT the Ishmael of Genesis nor his descendants

1_CHRONICLES 1:29, 1_CHRONICLES 8:38, 1_CHRONICLES 9:44, 2_CHRONICLES 19:11, 2_CHRONICLES 23:1,

EZRA 10:22 Nothing to do with the Ishmael / Abrahams son,

PSALMS 83:6 Mentions the Ishmaelites but does not say where they were.

JEREMIAH 40:8, 40:14, 40:15, 41:1, 41:2, 41:3, 41:6, 41:7, 41:8, 41:9, 41:10, 41:11, 41:12, 41:13, 41:14, 41:15, 41:16, 41:18 Nothing to do with the Ishmael / Abrahams son

You will not find any other Arab nations created by the Ishmaelites nor will you find the Ishmaelites outside of the land of Canaan / Israel.

You will find that Esau produced children with the daughters of Ishmael and of course you will find later that the Israelites married the Edomites... some of the descendants of Ishmael would indeed be Israelites.

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The Ishmaelites were the ONLY Arab descendants of Ishmael and they were an insignificant number in the Arabs of the bible.

All of the rest of these Arabs in the Old Testament were not descendants of Ishmael, nor were they the descendants of Isaac ... and yet Every Israelite in the bible is a composite of the descendants of Ishmael AND the Israelites are descendants of the Havites, Hittites, Moabites, Midianites, Chaldeans/Iraqis, Syrians, Canaanites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Philistines, Babylonians, Egyptians and on, and on and on... the Ishmaelites were but a tiny fraction of the Arabs which existed before Abraham or Ishmael were ever born.

Hagar

i0550.htm

Hagar the real
Cinderella story

In their attack on Ishmael, the magnus love to repeat the line where Ishmael would be like a wild ass. They neglect the parts about God protecting him, giving him many sons and blessing him. They neglect the parts about God coming to Hagar in her troubles, comforting her and blessing her.

GALATIANS

This is the prime text used by lying or ignorant preachers to assert Ishmael is the father of Arabs.

GALATIANS 4:22 It is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a female slave, the other by a freewoman.

GALATIANS 4:23 But he who was of the slave woman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

GALATIANS 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

GALATIANS 4:25 For this (speaking about Hagar) Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The descendants of Hagar and Ishmael lived in Canaan or Israel through out the old testament.

ISHMAEL IS NOT THE FATHER OF THE ARABS

Ishmael is not the father of the Arabs, he was only the father of the Ishmaelites who did not amount to a pot of beans in the bible.

Before Ishmael was born the Arab nations already existed, Hittites, Havites, Canaanites, Jebusites, Syrians, Egyptians... from the index find the web page on Ishmael.

These Arabs were NOT the descendants of Ishmael, but the Israelites were the descendants of these Arabs ! ... Moabites, Midianites, Philistines, Zideonians.. There was no such thing on earth as an Israelite for thousands of years and the Israelite were a composite Chaldeans and Syrians the first round and from there they were a pot luck of every Arab nation / tribe they encountered. That is al the Israelites were and NOTHING else.

ISRAELITES WERE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL

Ishmael was not the father of the Arabs, but a couple of his daughters produced their children with Esau creating the Edomites and the Israelites married the Edomites, so indeed some of the Israelites were the descendants of Ishmael !

HAGAR SENT TO BED WITH ABRAHAM AND THEN BOOTED
OUT INTO THE WILDERNESS AFTER SHE SERVED HER PURPOSE.

Gen 16:1 Sarah bare no children. She had an Egyptian hand maid whose name was Hagar.

Gen 16:2 Sarai said to Abram, go climb in the sack with Hagar that I may obtain children by her. And Abram said, right on.

Gen 16:3 Sarai gave Hagar the Egyptian to Abram they lived ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave Hagar to Abram to be his wife.

Gen 16:4 Hagar conceived: and Sarah (who put her in the sack with Abe in the first place) saw that she had conceived, Sarah despised her.

[ Hagar the hand maid was no less than a slave. Note that Hagar was an Egyptian living in Canaan. Through out the bible you will find lots of Egyptians, Chaldeans and Arabs living in Canaan. They were there before Abraham got off the bus from Ur / Iraq. ]

[ Now Sarah is angry, because Hagar did exactly what she was told to do]
Gen 16:6 Abram said; do to her as it pleaseth you. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

[Here it appears Sarah had assaulted her to make Hagar run away ]

Gen 16:7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar by a creek and said, why did you run away?

Gen 16:9 The angel of the Lord said return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. [ let her beat you up ? ]

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the Lord said to her (Hagar), I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

[The descendants of Hagar and Ishmael are found still living in Canaan / Israel through out the old testament. Ishmael was only the father of the Ishmaelites.
All the major Arab nations existed before Ishmael or Abraham were born ]

Gen 16:11 The angel of the Lord said you shalt bear a son and call him name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

[ The descendants of Ishmael lived in Canaan and his Arab relatives lived in Canaan. At the time of king David one of his descendants was chased to Egypt, but he returned to his "home" which was in Israel]

Gen 16:15 Hagar bare Abram a son when he was 86.

Ishmael is the first born son
of Abraham

Gen 21:9 Sarah enraged because Ishmael mocked and said to Abraham, Cast out this slave woman and her son: for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

[ Sarah was the evil witch : Yeah when I could not have kids, the tailor trash was good enough to spread her legs that I might have credit for her kid, but now that Isaac is hanging out, throw her out ]

Gen 21:14 Abraham took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

[ Hit the road trash, thanks for the ride in the sack. Now Hagar is loaded with the kid, a jug of water and a loaf of bread, sent hiking in the wilderness.]

Gen 21:15 The water was gone and she through Ishmael under a bush, then walked away so she did not have to see him die.

Gen 21:17 God heard Ishmael crying and he called to Hagar out of heaven, and said fear not

Gen 21:18 Pick him up and hold him in yours hand; for I will make him a great nation.

[ Of course the descendants of Ishmael are insignificant in the records of the bible, but his daughters married Esau (creating the Edomites and Amelekites) and the Israelites married the descendants of Ishmael's daughters. ]

Gen 21:19 God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water and filled the bottle and gave the lad drink.

Gen 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and lived in the wilderness, and became an archer.

[ God was WITH ISHMAEL and he lived in Paran. (Some where in the southern part of Palestine, which is not known. There are those who say it is Saudi Arabia, but of course that is a farce. Isaac was still living in Canaan and was with Isaac when they buried Abraham.

The daughters of Ishmael were still living there to marry the son of Isaac and the great grand children of Isaac still lived in Israel (after it became Israel) centuries later ]

Gen 21:21 Ishmael lived in the wilderness of Paran (Saudi Arabia): and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Gen 25:9 Abraham's sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah (Ishmael still in Canaan)

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Below is a list of Ishmael's descendants. Note their names then the names of Israelite children and cities in future generations.

Gen 25:12 The generations of Ishmael, Abraham's so

Gen 25:13 Nebajoth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, and assa, Hadar, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, Kedemah:

Gen 25:17 the years of the life of Ishmael 137 years and was gathered to his people.

Gen 25:18 They lived from Havilah to Shur, that is before Egypt, as you goest toward Assyria:

They lived through out the middle east. ( His people here is his relatives, not specifically his children. His children are found living in Israel through out the old testament)

ESAU SON OF ISAAC AND RACHEL, GRANDSON OF ABRAHAM, MARRIES THE
DAUGHTERS OF ISHMAEL

Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;

Gen 28:9 Took Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son

Gen 36:3 And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth.

ISHMAEL CAME OUT OF AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER

THE TRIBE OF JOSEPH CAME OUT OF AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER

Asenath is the Egyptian WIFE of Joseph.. no different than Hagar was the Egyptian WIFE and mother of Abraham's son Isaac.

Gen 41:45 Pharaoh gave Joseph to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah

Gen 41:50 To Joseph were born two sons of Asenath (the Egyptian) Manasseh and Ephraim ... having an Egyptian mother just like Ishmael.

Gen 30:1 When Rachel saw Leah having all the sons, they got in a big cat fight and
Gen 30:4 She gave Jacob Bilhah her hand maid to take to bed and out popped Dan and Naphtali.

FOUR OF THE PRINCES OF ISRAEL WERE SONS OF HAND MAIDS, CREATED OUT OF THE CAT FIGHT BETWEEN LEAH AND RACHEL, BUT HAGAR WAS GIVEN AS THE "WIFE" OF ABRAHAM. ISHMAEL IS MORE LEGITIMATE THAN THESE 4 PRINCES OF ISRAEL

Gen 30:9 Leah said, oh yeah, two can play that game and she gave Jacob her hand maid Zilpha to crawl into bed with. She conceived Gad and Asher.

DAN, NAPHTALI, GAD AND ASHER, SONS OF HAND MAIDS, JUST LIKE ISHMAEL.

Gen 16:3 Sarai gave Hagar the Egyptian to Abram they lived ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave Hagar to Abram to be his wife.

Marriages of those times were arranged and could be made at the snap of the finger. Hagar was made the wife of Abraham, so indeed
Ishmael was as legitimate as the Israelite sons, Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher who were produced in the cat fight between Leah and Rachel.

Hagar an Egyptian mother like Asenath the Egyptian mother and wife who produced the tribe of Joseph.

Gen 21:20 And God was with Ishmael !

Gen 21:27 God called to Hagar from out of heaven...( as God spoke to the prophets and Christ out of heaven)

Hagar did nothing wrong. Her only crime was only being a poor girl who was sold or had to work for a rich witch. A witch so evil that sent Hagar to bed with her husband, then abused her and drove her out in the wilderness carrying her little boy, a jug of water and a loaf of bread.

In this account, the mother of Ishmael is the Cinderella and Hagar is the evil step mother who used, then abused and sent a mother and a little boy packing in the wilderness.

Ishmael is not the father of the Arabs but he was blessed by God and some of his descendants married the descendants of the Israelites and of course those offspring's would also be descendants of Ishmael.

The Israelite story begins in Genesis with the first son of Jacob, the Israelites begin here from the loins / wombs of Chaldeans, Syrians, Canaanites and Egyptians... then they become a pot luck of every Arab tribe / nation of the old testament.

A few chapters in the bible can cover decades or centuries.

Sarah is first mentioned living in Ur / Iraq.
Marriages took place very early. If it was normal, Sarah would have been around 15 when she was married.

By chapter 16, she is and Abe were entering Egypt and she was fair to look on. (She lied about beingAbraham's wife so he would not be killed. (maybe between 20 and 35)?

In Chapter 17 Ishmael is born. He is 13 years older than Isaac. Sarah was to conceive at 90. 90 - 13 = 77

Sarah was no longer a spring chicken, but she was an old woman when she gave Hagar to Abraham to craw in the sack with. Sarah was over 90 when she drove Hagar and her young son out in the wilderness.

Sarah was not some kind of lovely woman who is to be respected. She was the evil witch of the west.

When she thought she could not have a child, she made Hagar the wife of Abraham so she could take credit for her son, then after the witch did have a son theevil witch sent the mom and her son out in the wilderness where they could die.

Hagar is not the tailor trash we have been conditioned to believe. She would have been a girl sold or given to Abraham, then she was sent to bed with Abraham and then scorned and abused by the evil witchwho owned her.

Hagar the Egyptian wife of Abraham, a hand maid like the mothers of Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher, an Egypt like Asenath (mother of the tribe of Joseph), an Egyptian like ALL THE MOTHERS of the grand children of Israel.

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Gen12.10-20.htm

01~GENESIS 012010 -20

10. And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land.

11. And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:

[The word fair is not light skin, but the word means physically attractive. Fair: Strong's Ref. # 3303 Romanized yapheh, Pronounced yaw-feh' , from HSN3302; beautiful (literally or figuratively)]

ABRAHAM TELLS SARAH TO LIE TO THE EGYPTIANS

12. Abraham said since you are such a hot babe the Egyptians will kill me and take you for themselves.

13. Lie to the Egyptians and tell them you are my sister so they don't murder me.

PHARAOH GIVES ABRAHAM GOODIES AND TAKES SARAH

14. ... the Egyptians beheld the Sarah that she was very fair.

15. The princes also of Pharaoh took Sarah to Pharaoh's pad.

16. They gave Abraham goodies in exchange.... sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.[ Hagar may have been one of the maid servants Abraham got in this exchange]

THE LORD PLAGUED PHARAOH

17. the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house because of Abram's wife.

18. And Pharaoh asked Abraham why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?

19. Why did you lie about Sarah being your sister? Now take Sarah and get out of my site.

20. And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had.

a) Abraham survives the famine thanks to the Egyptians

b) Abraham lied to the Egyptians to save his skin

c) After Abraham was busted in his lie, he left Egypt with all the goodies he got by virtue of Sarah and his lies... sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels. [ Hagar probably one of his ill-gotten gains]

Sarah was Abraham's half sister, she was his father's daughter.

All Israelites descendants of Cush?

All Israelites descendants of Cush?


For some reason the "gentile" and "Jew" versions of the Tanach/Old Testament use different spellings.
* Some times one verse has something a little different.
* Some times the verses are arranged differently.
* Some times a verse in the Tanach even uses a different word (such as in Genesis 10:6)
* Some times the same person/place is given different names

Cities / nations named after famous people has been going on since the bible times.
Judah the man <> Judah the kingdom
Washington the man <> Washington a state <> Washington a multitude of cities.

Land areas are often named after some famous person of the bible. i.e. Canaan, named after a descendant of Canaan who was a descendant of Ham.

Often we can tell who's descendants settled in a land area, when that place is named after one of their famous ancestors.

01~010006 GENESIS` And the sons of Ham... Egypt/Mizraim ... (The English bible uses the word Mizraim but the actual word is Egypt.. the same Hebrew word that identifies Egypt/Egyptians.
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01~010013 GENESIS` And Egypt/Mizraim fathered Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

NAPHTUHIM. Classed with Mizraim (Egypt), Gn. 10:13; 1 Ch. 1:11. Its identity is uncertain, but Lower Egypt, specifically the Nile Delta, would be appropriate alongside Pathrusim (*Pathros) for Upper Egypt.

[ Remember the term upper Egypt means the southern part and lower Egypt is the northern part.. opposite of what you would think]
Egypt (son of Cush) offspring's settled in the area of what we now call Egypt and named their land by their grandfather Egypt.

Naphthuhim a son of Egypt had a northern area of Egypt named after him? Assuming the settlers in that area named their land after their ancestors.
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24~046009 JEREMIAH` Come up, you horses; and rage, you chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians/Kush and the Put/Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Ludim/Lydians, that handle and bend the bow.
24~046009 YIRMEYAHU` Come up, O horses; and rage, O chariots; and let the mighty men come forth: Kush and Put, who handle the shield, and Ludim, who handle and bend the bow.
26~027010 EZEKIEL` They of Persia and of Lud and of Phut/Put were in yours army, thy men of war: they hanged the shield and helmet in you; they set forth thy comeliness.
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Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, descendants of Egypt/Mizraim, who was a descendant of Cush.

Genesis 7:7 7. And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
There were not 3 different Ms Noah's ...Noah had one wife, Shem, Ham and Japeth were brothers of the same parents. They would have shared the same race ... and I see a multitude of black faces in the tombs of the ancient Egyptians.

Of course every Israelite was a descendant of the Egyptians so how could the original Israelites be any thing but black

Locations in Egypt

egypt.htm

When you look at places plotted on a country map, you are
just getting an idea of it's relative position with in that country.

The dot placed on the map to represent a city may well hundreds of miles off if the dot is 1/16th off.

The thickness of a border line drawn by a narrow pen may be 50 miles wide by scale.

Maps of entire countries are created ONLY to show the relative position of that place with in the nation.

The problem with map makers is they try to get endless amount of information in a confined area. They start with a big version and shrink it down to a copy so a bug with a magnifying glass can not read the 4 point fonts that are smudged.

For the purpose of bible maps I suggest a directory of every place or landmark in the bible and a map of the present day country that it is in.

If you were looking for a place called Amarna, you would go down the directory (alphabetical like a phone book)

Amarna - Egypt - 27 45 41 N. 30 54 26 E

This would tell you to look at the Egypt map at these grids.

Instead of hundreds of maps about 20 maps would allow people to find the relative position of any place in the bible.


This sample map does the same thing as any map, but your directory allows you to find hundreds... thousands of places in Egypt and you can actually read the print.

You can print the maps out and plot multiple locations for show and tell.

I will create two versions of each country map. One with the grid lines and another to show where that country's relative position is with in the lands of the bible.

When I looked through hundreds of ancient pictures of Egyptians, I always thought all Egyptians (before mixing with Europeans) were brown or black...
But...
To the left is an ancient picture of king Tut and his girl friend and their faces appear to be pink. Those Egyptians also had very big ears.

Instead of using Hollywood (Anglo Saxon Europeans), I will use actual native people of the middle east to represent the bible characters.

From left to right Manasseh, Ephraim and Asenath. (actual pictures of natives of Egypt)

Manasseh and Ephraim are the sons of Joseph who was the descendant of Syrians and ancient Iraqis (Chaldeans) Their mother was Asenath, the Egyptian daughter of the priest of On. (On -16 miles N. of Cairo)

Joshua, Caleb, Gilead, the Gileadites and Elijah the Tishbite are descendants of these Egyptian, Syrian, ancient Iraqi boys.

As young boys they may have played in the palace of Pharaoh and sat on his knee.

There grandpa was the Egyptian priest of On. These little Egyptian sons would have played with other Egyptian kids and grown up with the Egyptian culture. No they did not marry Israelite girls, they married Syrians.

The Israelites which left Egypt 430 years later were of the stock of Egyptians and all the rest of the captive Arabs that the Israelites lived among.


Israelites were only part of the Egyptian captives. When the Israelites left a multitude of "strangers" left with them... the Israelites also married them in their 40 year travel from Egypt to Israel.

If you find any other cities or land marks in Egypt not here, send a post to israel_identity@yahoo.com and give the verse it is found. The latitude n longitude are given here so you can look the approximate location with the map above.


AKHETATEN~27ø 44' 07" N <> 30ø 54' 39" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
ALEXANDRIA~31ø 14' 27" N <> 29ø 50' 26" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
ALUSH~28ø 52' 05" N <> 33ø 34' 10" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
AMARNA~27ø 44' 47" N <> 30ø 51' 19" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
AZMON~30ø 40' 55" N <> 34ø 20' 23" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
BERED~30ø 46' 15" N <> 34ø 25' 17" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
CAIRO~30ø 05' 23" N <> 31ø 13' 59" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
DIZAHAB~28ø 29' 53" N <> 34ø 30' 50" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
DOPHKAH~19ø 01' 11" N <> 33ø 27' 44" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
EL QAHIRA~30ø 04' 29" N <> 31ø 13' 59" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT -CAIRO
ETHAM~30ø 09' 49" N <> 32ø 25' 32" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
HARADAH~29ø 23' 51" N <> 34ø 41' 56" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
HASHMONAH~29ø 31' 10" N <> 34ø 49' 30" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
HERES~30ø 05' 36" N <> 31ø 17' 05" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
KARKAA~30ø 39' 48" N <> 34ø 21' 43" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
KIBROTH HATTAAVAH~28ø 51' 25" N <> 34ø 13' 17" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
LABAN~31ø 14' 40" N <> 34ø 05' 30" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
MEMPHIS~29ø 52' 30" N <> 31ø 11' 50" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
MIGDOL~31ø 00' 14" N <> 32ø 15' 18" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
MT. SINAI~28ø 17' 26" N <> 33ø 56' 10" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
NOPH~30ø 00' 43" N <> 31ø 19' 59" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
PI HAHIROTH~31ø 07' 21" N <> 33ø 05' 04" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
PITHOM~30ø 37' 08" N <> 31ø 56' 38" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
RAMESES~30ø 48' 28" N <> 31ø 45' 45" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
REHOB~30ø 14' 02" N <> 32ø 54' 24" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
RISSAH~29ø 05' 25" N <> 34ø 37' 16" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
RITHMAH~29ø 18' 04" N <> 34ø 32' 23" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
RIVER OF EGYPT~00ø 00' 00" N <> 00ø 00' 00" E `?? #Nat:
TABERAH~30ø 22' 29" N <> 33ø 55' 04" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
TAHPANHES~31ø 04' 54" N <> 32ø 36' 51" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
THEBES~25ø 44' 51" N <> 32ø 33' 31" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT
ZOAN~30ø 59' 34" N <> 31ø 52' 32" E `?? #Nat: EGYPT

Of course Israelites never ceased to marry Egyptians, in Israel and in Egypt.
In the exodus we find an Israelite of the tribe of Dan married to an Egyptian.
Centuries later we find an Israelite giving an Egyptian servant to his daughter for a husband.

Joseph coat of many colors .. Every member of the tribe of Joseph is an Egyptian descendant http://www.arabisraelites.com/i1050.htm

Egyptian Christians, How many years did Christ live in Egypt before returning to Israel http://www.arabisraelites.com/c0006.htm

What did the Egyptians look like

. Arabs and Negroes are a different race. Egyptians were a composite of both races. http://www.arabisraelites.com/egypt3.htm

Egyptian vs pretend Jews ... Israelites were descendants of Egyptians, compare white European 'Jews' with Egyptians. http://www.arabisraelites.com/f2250.htm

How many Israelites and what was the population growth. Proof that every living Israelite would have to have Egyptian ancestors? http://www.arabisraelites.com/f5000.htm

Ephriam, Joshua, Caleb .. Egyptian / Syrian descendants http://www.arabisraelites.com/i1075.htm

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