Hagar

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Hagar the real
Cinderella story

In their attack on Ishmael, the magnus love to repeat the line where Ishmael would be like a wild ass. They neglect the parts about God protecting him, giving him many sons and blessing him. They neglect the parts about God coming to Hagar in her troubles, comforting her and blessing her.

GALATIANS

This is the prime text used by lying or ignorant preachers to assert Ishmael is the father of Arabs.

GALATIANS 4:22 It is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a female slave, the other by a freewoman.

GALATIANS 4:23 But he who was of the slave woman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

GALATIANS 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

GALATIANS 4:25 For this (speaking about Hagar) Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The descendants of Hagar and Ishmael lived in Canaan or Israel through out the old testament.

ISHMAEL IS NOT THE FATHER OF THE ARABS

Ishmael is not the father of the Arabs, he was only the father of the Ishmaelites who did not amount to a pot of beans in the bible.

Before Ishmael was born the Arab nations already existed, Hittites, Havites, Canaanites, Jebusites, Syrians, Egyptians... from the index find the web page on Ishmael.

These Arabs were NOT the descendants of Ishmael, but the Israelites were the descendants of these Arabs ! ... Moabites, Midianites, Philistines, Zideonians.. There was no such thing on earth as an Israelite for thousands of years and the Israelite were a composite Chaldeans and Syrians the first round and from there they were a pot luck of every Arab nation / tribe they encountered. That is al the Israelites were and NOTHING else.

ISRAELITES WERE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL

Ishmael was not the father of the Arabs, but a couple of his daughters produced their children with Esau creating the Edomites and the Israelites married the Edomites, so indeed some of the Israelites were the descendants of Ishmael !

HAGAR SENT TO BED WITH ABRAHAM AND THEN BOOTED
OUT INTO THE WILDERNESS AFTER SHE SERVED HER PURPOSE.

Gen 16:1 Sarah bare no children. She had an Egyptian hand maid whose name was Hagar.

Gen 16:2 Sarai said to Abram, go climb in the sack with Hagar that I may obtain children by her. And Abram said, right on.

Gen 16:3 Sarai gave Hagar the Egyptian to Abram they lived ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave Hagar to Abram to be his wife.

Gen 16:4 Hagar conceived: and Sarah (who put her in the sack with Abe in the first place) saw that she had conceived, Sarah despised her.

[ Hagar the hand maid was no less than a slave. Note that Hagar was an Egyptian living in Canaan. Through out the bible you will find lots of Egyptians, Chaldeans and Arabs living in Canaan. They were there before Abraham got off the bus from Ur / Iraq. ]

[ Now Sarah is angry, because Hagar did exactly what she was told to do]
Gen 16:6 Abram said; do to her as it pleaseth you. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

[Here it appears Sarah had assaulted her to make Hagar run away ]

Gen 16:7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar by a creek and said, why did you run away?

Gen 16:9 The angel of the Lord said return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. [ let her beat you up ? ]

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the Lord said to her (Hagar), I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

[The descendants of Hagar and Ishmael are found still living in Canaan / Israel through out the old testament. Ishmael was only the father of the Ishmaelites.
All the major Arab nations existed before Ishmael or Abraham were born ]

Gen 16:11 The angel of the Lord said you shalt bear a son and call him name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

[ The descendants of Ishmael lived in Canaan and his Arab relatives lived in Canaan. At the time of king David one of his descendants was chased to Egypt, but he returned to his "home" which was in Israel]

Gen 16:15 Hagar bare Abram a son when he was 86.

Ishmael is the first born son
of Abraham

Gen 21:9 Sarah enraged because Ishmael mocked and said to Abraham, Cast out this slave woman and her son: for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

[ Sarah was the evil witch : Yeah when I could not have kids, the tailor trash was good enough to spread her legs that I might have credit for her kid, but now that Isaac is hanging out, throw her out ]

Gen 21:14 Abraham took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

[ Hit the road trash, thanks for the ride in the sack. Now Hagar is loaded with the kid, a jug of water and a loaf of bread, sent hiking in the wilderness.]

Gen 21:15 The water was gone and she through Ishmael under a bush, then walked away so she did not have to see him die.

Gen 21:17 God heard Ishmael crying and he called to Hagar out of heaven, and said fear not

Gen 21:18 Pick him up and hold him in yours hand; for I will make him a great nation.

[ Of course the descendants of Ishmael are insignificant in the records of the bible, but his daughters married Esau (creating the Edomites and Amelekites) and the Israelites married the descendants of Ishmael's daughters. ]

Gen 21:19 God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water and filled the bottle and gave the lad drink.

Gen 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and lived in the wilderness, and became an archer.

[ God was WITH ISHMAEL and he lived in Paran. (Some where in the southern part of Palestine, which is not known. There are those who say it is Saudi Arabia, but of course that is a farce. Isaac was still living in Canaan and was with Isaac when they buried Abraham.

The daughters of Ishmael were still living there to marry the son of Isaac and the great grand children of Isaac still lived in Israel (after it became Israel) centuries later ]

Gen 21:21 Ishmael lived in the wilderness of Paran (Saudi Arabia): and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Gen 25:9 Abraham's sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah (Ishmael still in Canaan)

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Below is a list of Ishmael's descendants. Note their names then the names of Israelite children and cities in future generations.

Gen 25:12 The generations of Ishmael, Abraham's so

Gen 25:13 Nebajoth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, and assa, Hadar, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, Kedemah:

Gen 25:17 the years of the life of Ishmael 137 years and was gathered to his people.

Gen 25:18 They lived from Havilah to Shur, that is before Egypt, as you goest toward Assyria:

They lived through out the middle east. ( His people here is his relatives, not specifically his children. His children are found living in Israel through out the old testament)

ESAU SON OF ISAAC AND RACHEL, GRANDSON OF ABRAHAM, MARRIES THE
DAUGHTERS OF ISHMAEL

Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;

Gen 28:9 Took Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son

Gen 36:3 And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth.

ISHMAEL CAME OUT OF AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER

THE TRIBE OF JOSEPH CAME OUT OF AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER

Asenath is the Egyptian WIFE of Joseph.. no different than Hagar was the Egyptian WIFE and mother of Abraham's son Isaac.

Gen 41:45 Pharaoh gave Joseph to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah

Gen 41:50 To Joseph were born two sons of Asenath (the Egyptian) Manasseh and Ephraim ... having an Egyptian mother just like Ishmael.

Gen 30:1 When Rachel saw Leah having all the sons, they got in a big cat fight and
Gen 30:4 She gave Jacob Bilhah her hand maid to take to bed and out popped Dan and Naphtali.

FOUR OF THE PRINCES OF ISRAEL WERE SONS OF HAND MAIDS, CREATED OUT OF THE CAT FIGHT BETWEEN LEAH AND RACHEL, BUT HAGAR WAS GIVEN AS THE "WIFE" OF ABRAHAM. ISHMAEL IS MORE LEGITIMATE THAN THESE 4 PRINCES OF ISRAEL

Gen 30:9 Leah said, oh yeah, two can play that game and she gave Jacob her hand maid Zilpha to crawl into bed with. She conceived Gad and Asher.

DAN, NAPHTALI, GAD AND ASHER, SONS OF HAND MAIDS, JUST LIKE ISHMAEL.

Gen 16:3 Sarai gave Hagar the Egyptian to Abram they lived ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave Hagar to Abram to be his wife.

Marriages of those times were arranged and could be made at the snap of the finger. Hagar was made the wife of Abraham, so indeed
Ishmael was as legitimate as the Israelite sons, Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher who were produced in the cat fight between Leah and Rachel.

Hagar an Egyptian mother like Asenath the Egyptian mother and wife who produced the tribe of Joseph.

Gen 21:20 And God was with Ishmael !

Gen 21:27 God called to Hagar from out of heaven...( as God spoke to the prophets and Christ out of heaven)

Hagar did nothing wrong. Her only crime was only being a poor girl who was sold or had to work for a rich witch. A witch so evil that sent Hagar to bed with her husband, then abused her and drove her out in the wilderness carrying her little boy, a jug of water and a loaf of bread.

In this account, the mother of Ishmael is the Cinderella and Hagar is the evil step mother who used, then abused and sent a mother and a little boy packing in the wilderness.

Ishmael is not the father of the Arabs but he was blessed by God and some of his descendants married the descendants of the Israelites and of course those offspring's would also be descendants of Ishmael.

The Israelite story begins in Genesis with the first son of Jacob, the Israelites begin here from the loins / wombs of Chaldeans, Syrians, Canaanites and Egyptians... then they become a pot luck of every Arab tribe / nation of the old testament.

A few chapters in the bible can cover decades or centuries.

Sarah is first mentioned living in Ur / Iraq.
Marriages took place very early. If it was normal, Sarah would have been around 15 when she was married.

By chapter 16, she is and Abe were entering Egypt and she was fair to look on. (She lied about beingAbraham's wife so he would not be killed. (maybe between 20 and 35)?

In Chapter 17 Ishmael is born. He is 13 years older than Isaac. Sarah was to conceive at 90. 90 - 13 = 77

Sarah was no longer a spring chicken, but she was an old woman when she gave Hagar to Abraham to craw in the sack with. Sarah was over 90 when she drove Hagar and her young son out in the wilderness.

Sarah was not some kind of lovely woman who is to be respected. She was the evil witch of the west.

When she thought she could not have a child, she made Hagar the wife of Abraham so she could take credit for her son, then after the witch did have a son theevil witch sent the mom and her son out in the wilderness where they could die.

Hagar is not the tailor trash we have been conditioned to believe. She would have been a girl sold or given to Abraham, then she was sent to bed with Abraham and then scorned and abused by the evil witchwho owned her.

Hagar the Egyptian wife of Abraham, a hand maid like the mothers of Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher, an Egypt like Asenath (mother of the tribe of Joseph), an Egyptian like ALL THE MOTHERS of the grand children of Israel.

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